2i) Clusterbots
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Re: 2i) Clusterbots
also the external driver rule means that people wont be making cool 3 or 4 part clusterbots
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Re: 2i) Clusterbots
Also, thinking about this, 99% of ants don't fit in the cube the same way they go into the arena! Most go in sideways or on the diagonal. So why should it be one rule for clusterbots and another for ants? If this rule was ever enforced, I'd argue ants should have to do that same, and no-one wants that.I'd like to see the it added to the rules that cluster bots must start each fight how they fit in the cube.
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Re: 2i) Clusterbots
good point well made Dave. a clusterbot is still an antweight, it's just an antweight that consists of more than one seperate parts.
as for hexbugs, i see no real reason for banning them. apart from the frequency rule they are compliant with the current rules and i don't think their infrared radio set ups interfere with any other radio system commonly used. sure, it would be excellent to fight a self contained cluster that was actually designed to be an antweight clusterbot rather than two fleas with the two flea cluster rule being an added bonus but i don't think we should make it mandatory that all clusters are self contained.
as for hexbugs, i see no real reason for banning them. apart from the frequency rule they are compliant with the current rules and i don't think their infrared radio set ups interfere with any other radio system commonly used. sure, it would be excellent to fight a self contained cluster that was actually designed to be an antweight clusterbot rather than two fleas with the two flea cluster rule being an added bonus but i don't think we should make it mandatory that all clusters are self contained.
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Re: 2i) Clusterbots
Wow,quite some heated debate on this one!
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Re: 2i) Clusterbots
Is it permissible that a cluster can fight part or all of a fight joined together.
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That's an interesting question!
3 ideas spring to mind.
1) classic cluster with separate units
2) separate units joined together by some kind of tether
3) one unit, say 4WD, where the front wheels are independent of the back (with their own receiver, speedo, battery etc.)
In my mind, only the first would count as a clusterbot, but I'm not sure the rules specifically ban the second...
3 ideas spring to mind.
1) classic cluster with separate units
2) separate units joined together by some kind of tether
3) one unit, say 4WD, where the front wheels are independent of the back (with their own receiver, speedo, battery etc.)
In my mind, only the first would count as a clusterbot, but I'm not sure the rules specifically ban the second...
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Re: 2i) Clusterbots
the deffinition in the rules is a robot that consists of more than one separate parts. to me, a robot that is tethered but is capable of separating into two or more separate parts still CONSISTS of more than one separate parts and is therefore still a clusterbot provided that all parts are capable of independant controlled motion. that's my understanding of it anyway.
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Super antweights: territorial.
Fleaweights: fleadom fighter, gaztons.
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Re: 2i) Clusterbots
That's about how I read it so I think I might have a go.
If it proves too difficult to have controlled separation or it is considered not to be within the spirit of the cluster rules it will have to be a single robot and replace a roller.
If it proves too difficult to have controlled separation or it is considered not to be within the spirit of the cluster rules it will have to be a single robot and replace a roller.
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Re: 2i) Clusterbots
I always liked the idea that clusterbots had to start as one robot and 'become' their separate parts upon activate, a la Robot Wars. But that proved to be problematic with antweights as people very quickly found ways around it that made it rather pointless to have as a rule IE just sitting the two fleas on top of each other, or having one contain the other with its weapon, or simply have an incredibly fine tether that would break the minute any of them moved.
But I am all for allowing anything that adds a bit of ingenuity into what has become a bit of a muddy classification, as long as it complies with what rules we do have.
But I am all for allowing anything that adds a bit of ingenuity into what has become a bit of a muddy classification, as long as it complies with what rules we do have.
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Re: 2i) Clusterbots
These could well do much if not all of the battle joined all be it loosely.