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MichaelG92's Build Diaries

Post by MichaelG92 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:16 pm

Now that my exams are finally out of the way, I can begin building. The original plan was to have three weeks to build MicroNewton (a 2wd flipper) and ArmamAnt! (a 4wd pusher) for AWS55 next week, but due to various reasons I've only been able to start building today so it's extremely unlikely both will be ready for next week, so I'm focusing on MicroNewton for now.

On top of that my transmitter hasn't arrived as expected this week, so I can test none of the electronics until it (hopefully!) arrives early next week. So I've only been able to work on the shell today. It's been a frustrating day as I haven't achieved as much as I would've liked; I wanted to be finished but I've had to redrill many holes as I keep getting things out of line. But it's my first build so I will learn from this and get better over time (I hope). It has made me respect all of you far more now I realise how much work goes into even the tiny robots.

The below pictures are the result of a full day's work:
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The wheels and motors attached to the base.
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Post by MichaelG92 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:19 pm

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The sides attached. I've used 2mm polycarbonate for the sides and flipper blade, 1mm for the brackets and 1.5mm everywhere else.
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Post by MichaelG92 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:21 pm

The flipper screwed together, and then resting in place as I haven't had time to make the brackets to screw it in place.
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Post by Derek Dudge » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:23 am

Looking good!
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Post by MichaelG92 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:58 am

After attending AWS 55 and talking to a few roboteers, I've decided to put MicroNewton aside for now until I work out a better way of hinging the flipper, probably via 3D printing. With hindsight it is a slightly complicated design for a first time build, so I'm focusing on something a bit simpler; a 4WD pusher, which will be called ArmamAnt!.

I'm using a Das Mikro 2s6a ESC, and I'm about to start soldering on the wires onto the circuit board. However it's just occurred to me that there are more wires than slots on the circuit board, so I'm unsure what to solder where! I know there is a diagram on what to solder where, so I know what goes where at the top of the circuit board in the picture. It's at the bottom where I'm confused.

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Going from left to right, let's label the six slots 1-6. At the moment I'm thinking:

1- JST connector (black wire)
2- JST connector (red wire)
3- both black servo wires
4- both red servo wires
5- white wire servo 1
6- white wire servo 2

Is this correct?
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Post by MarkR » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:41 am

If they connect to the same RX module, you only need to connect the red/black (5v supply) to ONE servo lead. The other servo lead only needs the white wire (servo pulses signal).

The red/black on the servo lead supply power to the RX. They are internally connected inside the RX anyway, so if you use only a single RX, it's duplication to connect both, and they are low current.

Indeed, soldering two wires on to the tiny, awkward pads on the Dasmikro is not something I would recommend. I used a Dasmikro during development of my robot, Betsie (we were at the AWS55) - but it was toast (like so many others...) long before the event.

In particular, there is very little mechanical strength in the surface pads on the Dasmikro ESC, too much stress on the wires will lift the track and destroy the whole thing.

If you want to make a 4wd, then "daisy chain" the wires to the motors instead of trying to connect two wires to the ESC (or make yourself Y-leads)
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Post by MichaelG92 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:24 am

Hi Mark, I'm not sure what you mean by "same RX module", but if it means am I using one receiver, then yes I am. I'm plugging both servo leads into the same Lemon Rx receiver.

Ok, I think I get what you mean. So I do it like this:

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By 'daisy chain the wires to the motors', do you mean connect the second set of motors in parallel, like in this thread?

http://www.robotwars101.org/forum/viewt ... f=1&t=2673
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Post by MarkR » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:35 am

Yes, that's what I meant.

You only need connect one pair of red/black power wires on the servo leads to the rx (if using only one rx). Using two RXs would be very strange on an antweight, but is not unusual on larger things.

For 4WD - yes connect the motors in parallel. You could make up "Y" shaped leads with the correct lengths on all the legs of the "Y", which is probably nicest - or daisy chain - connect the wire first to one motor, then to the other. But don't try to solder two wires to the Dasmikro.

My robot (Betsie) uses the daisy chain method.
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Post by MichaelG92 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:45 am

I’ll wire them in parallel this time. Thanks Mark, will post a picture later when I’m done.
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Post by MarkR » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:47 pm

Just before you solder stuff, check with a meter for short circuit. Occasionally a motor or some other component is a "dead short", it will take much longer to find the fault when you have several in parallel.

My N20 motors measure about 12 ohm on the meter usually (so 2 in parallel should be 6 ohm), if it's less than 1 ohm, it's definitely short.
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Post by MichaelG92 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:29 pm

Hi all, sorry for the radio silence over the past month or so. It turns out my Dad's soldering iron didn't work and I haven't had time to get a new one yet, so building has obviously ground to a halt.

In addition to that I found out about a month ago that I have to resit one of my exams in December, which is obviously disappointing. Passing that's a massive priority so I haven't had and won't have a lot of free time between now and then, so building's going to take a back seat for the rest of the year. If AWS56 does take place in October I'm unlikely to make it.

On the positive side, thanks to a helpful guy on Facebook I've discovered that I can download Fusion 360 for free as a hobbyist. So I've downloaded it and will spend what little free time I have learning how to use it, and will hopefully be able to 3D print some robots late this year/early next. And I'll still be planning builds/ asking questions about parts and feedback on designs.

Until then!
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Post by MichaelG92 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:59 pm

It's been almost nine months since I last posted, sadly I was very busy finishing my exams in the second half of last year. I've just been too busy to do anything robot related at all, but now that I've passed them all at long last I've finally had some time to design and plan some builds. Here are five antweights that I’ve designed on paper and built a scale model in cardboard. I now just need to design them on CAD.

Apologies for the links as opposed to actual pictures, unfortunately the forum isn't letting me post any photos atm no matter how much I resize the photos. Please let me know if there are any issues.

The first robot is a four wheel invertible pusher called ArmamAnt! I’m going to add some spikes on the back so while it’s upside down they can be used as a makeshift wedge. The name is a tribute to the legend that is Jonathan Pearce and there will be a sticker of him on the top for added amusement! There’s not really a lot more to say about the design because I’ve kept it simple so my first build isn’t too complicated, although in the last week I’ve decided to make the top panel a front hinged flipper to give it another string to its bow. That will be a later change and it’ll run as a pusher at first although I’m designing the robot with that upgrade in mind.

https://8iw43w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m2-E ... pmode=none

https://8yxb3w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m8P0 ... pmode=none

The second will be a flipper called MicroNewton. I started working on this last year but abandoned it after I realised I needed to learn CAD design to complete it. The design hasn’t changed over the past year, but now that I’ve found some smaller wheels I might make it a bit narrower.

https://8yxa3w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mXuh ... pmode=none

https://8ywq3w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m3x3 ... pmode=none

The third will be an invertible horizontal bar spinner called Vespula Robotica. I got the idea from a wasp which flew into my room one day and noticed its buzzing sounded like a death hum! The name is a play on the name Vespula Vulgaris, the name of the common wasp, and it’ll have a yellow and black paint job. I’ve tried to make it different from other horizontal spinners by adding curved sides so it should roll back onto its wheels and I’ve tried to add a “spinner killer” wedge on the back although I was limited by size restrictions.

https://8ywp3w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mPyR ... pmode=none

https://8yxf3w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mStO ... pmode=none

The fourth is a vertical spinner called SNAFU (Situation Normal; Antweights Flying Upwards). This is a refined design from some feedback I got last year; it was a rectangular box but I’ve slanted the sides to try and deflect spinners better, and also to make it smaller so I can put more weight into the weapon. The wheels will stick out of the back so it can run both ways up and it’ll have an interchangeable disc/blade depending on its opponent.

https://8yxe3w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m8pF ... pmode=none

https://8yxd3w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mdfy ... pmode=none

The fifth and final robot is going to be a hammer bot. I haven’t come up with a name for it yet so if anyone has any suggestions I’m all ears! I’ve designed the body to be as small as possible so I can make the hammer as big and as heavy as possible. Basically I’ve designed it to be entertaining rather than competitive, so ideally I’d like the name to fit this mindset like a pun on a celebrity name (Donald Thump would’ve been perfect but that’s obviously already taken). I’ve given it a wedge to deflect spinners and the rear prongs are there to try and give the ability to push others around if the hammer turns out to be completely useless.

https://8yxc3w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mirJ ... pmode=none

https://8yw53w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4mogO ... pmode=none

Any feedback is most welcome!
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Post by LimaHotel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:11 pm

You embed the images using bb code - you can usually generate it from the hosting site. I host on imgbb.com, though I know others use other sites.
As to your beautiful CAD (cardboard aided design), the majority of them look like solid design ideas! All proven concepts.
General advice is not to attempt a spinner as your first bot.
As to your specific designs, one thing I will say is your vertical spinner could use some forwards outriggers. I can see you've got those little tusks, but I'm not sure they give you enough of a stable footprint to throw your opponent up instead of you down. Look at the outriggers on Shakey's Test Robot Please Ignore to see what I mean.
Also, wo said you need to cad (computer or cardboard) anything???
All my bots I've just sat down and done - I've had to make a lot of sub-optimal design choices to make them work (look at Jiggy's tail bracket to make it fit in the box) but I find the organic building process to be fun!
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Jammin' Good with Weird and Flippy (Rear-hinged Flipper)
The Pushbot from Mars (Pushbot, under rebuild)

Key Grip (Rear-hinged Flipper, currently out of service)

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Post by MichaelG92 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:01 pm

Yes, I'm definitely not building a spinner as my first antweight. The first one is going to be Armamant! as it's by far the simplest one to do.
I think I know what you're getting at, I'll give SNAFU a little redesign...
Admittedly yes, I don't have to use CAD to make my robots. But having tried last year to make MicroNewton out of polycarbonate it came out really badly so I'd rather use CAD and then 3D print the chassis as it'll come out much neater. That's just my personal preference as I'm sadly not very adept at drilling holes in the right place...
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Post by LimaHotel » Sat May 18, 2019 12:19 am

Oh, looking back over this whilst trying to find some excuse to not be sleeping, you mentioned wanting to find a better way to hinge your flipper? How has that gone?
I personally use hinges to hinge my flipper. Uncreative, sure, but they work. I honestly just use the smallest hinges I could find in the local hardware store. They came with little holes for some little nails, so I drilled the holes out to 2mm and I use m2 nuts and bolts to secure them. Well, eventually. I did my first aws with them just glued using superglue and gluegun.
On Jiggy, I've hinged the grabber by just having 2 bits of polycarb bolted together and secured with an m3 nyloc nut and spaced apart with an m3 washer.
I know Kyro attaches all his flippers directly to the servo horn and then builds lateral support into his general robot design.
Jiggy Sawdust (Grabber)
Jammin' Good with Weird and Flippy (Rear-hinged Flipper)
The Pushbot from Mars (Pushbot, under rebuild)

Key Grip (Rear-hinged Flipper, currently out of service)

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