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Post by american roboteer » Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:45 pm

Everyone does thier time as a beginer getting their robot torn to shreds and such by more expeirienced robots regardless of age your robot will always be a target by the other robots (all in good sport i suppose)

Why should superants be any diffrent ?

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Post by Remote-Controlled Dave » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:08 am

because there would be no point in creating the weight class otherwise. The discussion about Superants is whether we should start to acknowledge them or not. We are trying to come up with a way of there being a point to acknowledge them. If everyone took your opinion, we may as well not bother and stick with ants.
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Post by Adam Hargreaves » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:12 pm

though he has a very valid point...
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Post by Raizor » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:23 pm

Another point which people may disagree with but I'll put it out there is that if superants are watered down too much then people will:
1. Not want to compete as there is no real actio0n involved.
2. Not be challanged enough to make a very good robot
3. Find it very difficult to build a successful ant as the step between Super Ants and Antweights is too big.
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Post by Andrew_Hibberd » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:24 pm

Found an old picture. The little one is the disc i have on Kwijebo-just imagine one of the others on a super ant :o
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Post by petec » Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:01 pm

Are we doing robot wars or gentle patty-cake dancing? I think we 'adults' sometimes don't give kids enough credit when it comes to safety.

My thoughts on Superants -
1) The class should encourage builders of all ages who (a) have limited budgets - they are cheaper than virtually all ants, especially if you shop around; or (b) have limited skills in building or driving and want a starting place.
2) In order to make it credible, it does need some experienced builders to take part.
3) It should be fighting, full combat, with anything goes inside the arena. You can still keep it safe (Ian, 750psi connections at that size are not easy to make safe, decanting to tiny containers at that pressure is always dodgey and there would be a need for gas supplys at the events, which would rule out a lot of venues) without making it nancy!! Sharp blades are fine provided you treat them with care, keep them covered outside the arena and wear safety equipment when working on them. By all means augment the rules with a set of hints and guides (eg buy a cheap pair of safety glasses from B&Q and USE EM!!! I do, and I'm a fully qualified engineer!!
4) I think we are getting away from the original point in this thread. We want a simple set of rules as a starting point....lets just bloody try it!!!
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Post by Remote-Controlled Dave » Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:32 pm

OK, I agree with Pete. lol.
Maybe we should just say anyone who wants a crack at a Superant should just bring it to AWS18, see what turns up, and take it from there.
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Post by Raizor » Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:25 pm

Pete, there is no decanting required. All the very small ones (around 11g or slightly more of Co2 are disposable, i.e. one use). A small canister could easily be surrounded by 6mm polycarbonate without too much weight being used up.
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Post by Adam Hargreaves » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:44 pm

In terms of discs, maybe some sort of speed, size (disc diameter) and weight limit should be used (summat like disc must not take up more than 20% of total robot weight) and limit speed to avoid complete carnage.
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Post by american roboteer » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:16 pm

whats wrong with complete carnage?

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Post by Simon Windisch » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:54 pm

How about if some of our younger roboteers say that that they don't mind getting completely smashed to pieces, then we do it, as Pete says, with full spinners (but on the understanding that it's a tryout, rather than a finalised catagory).

Does that make sense?

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Post by petec » Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:15 am

Raizor wrote:Pete, there is no decanting required. All the very small ones (around 11g or slightly more of Co2 are disposable, i.e. one use). A small canister could easily be surrounded by 6mm polycarbonate without too much weight being used up.
Fair enough, but that still doesn't cover connections - always the weakest point in the pneu system - and what's the point??? A 100psi flipper would throw an ant to the ceiling of any arena I've ever fought in, so a 750 flipper would just throw it harder at the walls or ceiling....actually more likely to bounce it back into the fighting arena again. Its a bit like PeteW's ever continuing quest for a faster spinner - the faster they get, the less effective they are getting because of the side effects of air movement, impact feedback and so on. As with all engineering, it almost certainly can be done - that doesn't mean it should be.
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Post by Simon Windisch » Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:22 am

I've just remembered that someone mentioned a possible problem with 250g robots: would an arena be able to contain a 200g spinning disk in safety?

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Post by Simon Windisch » Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:34 am

I've just remembered that someone mentioned a possible problem with 250g robots: would an arena be able to contain a 200g spinning disk in safety?

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Post by Raizor » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:15 pm

petec wrote:
Raizor wrote:Pete, there is no decanting required. All the very small ones (around 11g or slightly more of Co2 are disposable, i.e. one use). A small canister could easily be surrounded by 6mm polycarbonate without too much weight being used up.
Fair enough, but that still doesn't cover connections - always the weakest point in the pneu system - and what's the point??? A 100psi flipper would throw an ant to the ceiling of any arena I've ever fought in, so a 750 flipper would just throw it harder at the walls or ceiling....actually more likely to bounce it back into the fighting arena again. Its a bit like PeteW's ever continuing quest for a faster spinner - the faster they get, the less effective they are getting because of the side effects of air movement, impact feedback and so on. As with all engineering, it almost certainly can be done - that doesn't mean it should be.
Fair point, I'll tell you why i would like to be allowed to use 750psi. It is not to make them hit the roof harder etc, it is simply that I would like to get consistent flips and more flips. I would like to be able idealy to find a very light regulator to bring the pressure down to around 100psi. THe thing I dont like about flippers at the miniute is the fact that you have a constantly deminishing pressure so eventually you have no pressure to speak of, With a regulator and 750psi you would have virtually unlimited flips and they would all be consistently the same force (possibly wrong word there but you get my drift). My only problem is presently the lightest regulator I know of is around 200g, making it very difficult to build an ant around that.
Simon Windisch wrote: I've just remembered that someone mentioned a possible problem with 250g robots: would an arena be able to contain a 200g spinning disk in safety?
Simon I would think that they can. My arnea is made from 6mm Lexan, that is the same thickness as used on the roaming robots Heavyweight arena, they have never had anything go through that. So there should be no problems.

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