Thread for silly questions about rules!
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Thread for silly questions about rules!
Question 1 - Can you add or take away parts of a robot between fights.
IE: change panels/armour on a robot depending on what type of robot you are facing in the next round???
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IE: change panels/armour on a robot depending on what type of robot you are facing in the next round???
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The answer is yes that is how variant got its name the spinner front end was replaceable with a lifter.
The latest version still has a removable spinner but I just never got round to building any other modules.
The latest version still has a removable spinner but I just never got round to building any other modules.
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Re: Thread for silly questions about rules!
Obviously all the configurations need to keep the robot under 150g and within the size and weight limits, but it's a really good idea and more robots should be interchangable The closest I ever get is adding 'ablative' armour to get shredded by the aforementioned Variant...I think I still have a bit of Waller-signed 2mm circuit board I attached to The Data Fields for one fight which got ripped off pretty much instantly XD
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Re: Thread for silly questions about rules!
Thanks gents.
I have 2 scoops for scarab.One .5mm Ti scoop that is light enough for self righting,and the thicker 1mm Ti scoop with side protection for nasty spinny things.
Is there a limit to how much of a robot you can change???? ????
I have 2 scoops for scarab.One .5mm Ti scoop that is light enough for self righting,and the thicker 1mm Ti scoop with side protection for nasty spinny things.
Is there a limit to how much of a robot you can change???? ????
Re: Thread for silly questions about rules!
Rulewise I don't think there is but a bit of sportsmanship would come into it.earthwormjim wrote:Thanks gents.
I have 2 scoops for scarab.One .5mm Ti scoop that is light enough for self righting,and the thicker 1mm Ti scoop with side protection for nasty spinny things.
Is there a limit to how much of a robot you can change???? ????
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I had this discussion with Simon at the last AWS because I was a little worried about it. In these days of 3D printing, it would be possible to build 4 exact clone robots, so that if one gets destroyed or damaged, you could just enter the next one and not bother fixing it (as long as the others weren't entered as their own entry). This lead to a further conversation about entering "groups" of robots as one entry, eg, you could build a spinner ant, a flipper one, etc, and then just put whichever one into battle you felt you had the best chance of beating your opponent with.
This would technically not be against any rules, and me and Simon came to the conclusion that it would be hard to protest it, but, as said, it doesn't really show much sportsmanship!
I'll never forget an AWS I ran where Oliver had Private Iron knocked out and General Mayhem still in. General Mayhem took a fair bit of spinner damage, and he tried to put Private Iron into the next fight instead of fixing General Mayhem. His arguement was that they were "pretty much the same anyway". I rightly made him go and fix GM instead. However, if both robots were entered and declared under one entry (not like a clusterbot, but as an interchangble robot, so one would fight and one would not) it would have been harder to protest.
Like I say, I am really not keen on this idea at all, but it is technically within the rules.
This would technically not be against any rules, and me and Simon came to the conclusion that it would be hard to protest it, but, as said, it doesn't really show much sportsmanship!
I'll never forget an AWS I ran where Oliver had Private Iron knocked out and General Mayhem still in. General Mayhem took a fair bit of spinner damage, and he tried to put Private Iron into the next fight instead of fixing General Mayhem. His arguement was that they were "pretty much the same anyway". I rightly made him go and fix GM instead. However, if both robots were entered and declared under one entry (not like a clusterbot, but as an interchangble robot, so one would fight and one would not) it would have been harder to protest.
Like I say, I am really not keen on this idea at all, but it is technically within the rules.
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Re: Thread for silly questions about rules!
Perhaps it should be written you can change body panels and weapons and parts, but not the chassis. I have had to replace key parts in a machine during events but never the main robot basis.
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Re: Thread for silly questions about rules!
If needed,maybe a rule stating that only 10/20/30% of the weight of a robot can be interchangable,would set some boundaries??
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I'm sure there was a similar discussion about this regarding featherweights a fair few years back. The conclusion (not an official rule, just general consensus) was that you could carry spares of every part of your robot and could effectively replace the entire insides of a robot if it suffered major damage in a battle in order to be ready for the next bout.
But this didn't extend to replacing a damaged chassis with a completely identical one you had made pre-event. I can't remember the specifics of the conversation but I'm sure one of the EOs at the time said that if you were to swap a busted chassis out for a complete new one it would be considered a different robot and wouldn't be allowed to fight under the same name. It's not so much of a issue in featherweights as I don't know any team that has a complete replica chassis on standby but, as you've mentioned Dave, with Shapeways printing, it would be a very easy thing to do in antweights.
Probably not worth creating a rule over it, a gentleman's agreement perhaps?
(Not that this would affect me really)
But this didn't extend to replacing a damaged chassis with a completely identical one you had made pre-event. I can't remember the specifics of the conversation but I'm sure one of the EOs at the time said that if you were to swap a busted chassis out for a complete new one it would be considered a different robot and wouldn't be allowed to fight under the same name. It's not so much of a issue in featherweights as I don't know any team that has a complete replica chassis on standby but, as you've mentioned Dave, with Shapeways printing, it would be a very easy thing to do in antweights.
Probably not worth creating a rule over it, a gentleman's agreement perhaps?
(Not that this would affect me really)
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Re: Thread for silly questions about rules!
I think it would be hard to police it if there was an official rule. One done by a weight percentage could be particularly irksome to enforce.
I seem to be quite good at taking these discussions to their most extreme conclusions, which I believe is a good way to test the underlining principals of rules (though I know some find my musings wearisome). If the most extreme variant(s) of the discussion still seem pretty ok, then the rule is sound. If it has the ability to "get silly", then maybe there needs to be some kind of limit, even if it just like a "gentleman's agreement".
I seem to be quite good at taking these discussions to their most extreme conclusions, which I believe is a good way to test the underlining principals of rules (though I know some find my musings wearisome). If the most extreme variant(s) of the discussion still seem pretty ok, then the rule is sound. If it has the ability to "get silly", then maybe there needs to be some kind of limit, even if it just like a "gentleman's agreement".
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Winner - AWS 39