Metal armour rule

All things antweight

Moderators: BeligerAnt, petec, administrator

Post Reply
User avatar
teamocean
Posts: 515
Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 3:19 pm
Location: Reading
Contact:

Post by teamocean »

I'm not complaining about the ruling- I now have an excuse to build another ant :) but I was just thinking that if the metal armour rules are discussed in the future, this could be a possible solution.

Until then though, i intend to keep Ant Awe for demos at Roaming Robots & Robots Live and build a separate ant if i decide to attend an AWS.
Will Thomas
Team Shock
www.shockbots.co.uk
User avatar
Simon Windisch
Posts: 1806
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:00 am
Location: Reading
Contact:

Post by Simon Windisch »

We look forward to seeing you again Will. It was a pretty heavy majority in favour of keeping the rule.

Simon
leo-rcc
Posts: 469
Joined: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:44 am
Location: Hoogvliet, The Netherlands
Contact:

Post by leo-rcc »

Well should the vote come up again I would vote to have it removed again. Not that I have any plans of milling an ant out of a solid billet of metal, but I feel the people should be free to build as they please as long as their robots are built safely and within the weight and size limit.

The argument that axes won't have a chance if the rule is pulled out would imply there is a chance they would now, and I don't think there is enough energy to be stored in any antweight axe or hammer to be effective. You just don't have the mass.
Best regards,

Leo van Miert.
Dutchrobotgames
Team RCC website
User avatar
Simon Windisch
Posts: 1806
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:00 am
Location: Reading
Contact:

Post by Simon Windisch »

The only coherent argument that I could detect to keep the rule was the "two tin boxes against each other" one, and I'm not sure that holds a lot of water (to mix my metaphors) but I think that the main reason that people voted to keep the rule was that they didn't want to change it!

Simon
Remote-Controlled Dave
Posts: 3716
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:30 pm
Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland
Contact:

Post by Remote-Controlled Dave »

That was my understanding too Simon...though I'm no longer involved in this argument. lol :wink:
Die Gracefully Robotics
Winner - AWS 39
User avatar
olivers
Posts: 533
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:00 am
Location: Reading
Contact:

Post by olivers »

What was discussed regarding this at AWS27:

1mm armour rule This will be taken out of the new rules (4.1??) The argument was that thicker plastics and other materials could be used, thus there was no reason to keep this rule.

Monocoques/continous metal armour. There was quite a discussion about this, in the end we decided to keep this rule. It may change in the future but currently there is no need to change it.
leo-rcc
Posts: 469
Joined: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:44 am
Location: Hoogvliet, The Netherlands
Contact:

Post by leo-rcc »

Dave, allow me to take over the torch. :)
olivers wrote:Monocoques/continous metal armour. There was quite a discussion about this, in the end we decided to keep this rule. It may change in the future but currently there is no need to change it.
This is where I have a problem with that. This rule is a restriction, and though I am in favor of restrictions when they improve safety for instance, when there isn't a sufficient reason to keep a rule, I submit that there is a reason to change it, possibly even remove it.

Keeping a rule in because "it has always been in there" is not a valid reason in my opinion.
Best regards,

Leo van Miert.
Dutchrobotgames
Team RCC website
Remote-Controlled Dave
Posts: 3716
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:30 pm
Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland
Contact:

Post by Remote-Controlled Dave »

Dave, allow me to take over the torch
Phew, well since Leo is arguing what was basically my point in the first place, I can now retire. lol.
Die Gracefully Robotics
Winner - AWS 39
User avatar
olivers
Posts: 533
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:00 am
Location: Reading
Contact:

Post by olivers »

Doubtless we will discuss this at the next AWS.

Perhaps it should be something we test at another event such as RRC or Roaming Robots or perhaps AWS non-spinner event.

How many people would build metal covered ants? Any pics of those already built?
User avatar
peterwaller
Posts: 3213
Joined: Fri Feb 15, 2002 12:00 am
Location: Aylesbury Bucks
Contact:

Post by peterwaller »

I agree Leo keeping a rule just because it has always been there is not a valid reason and was not why people voted to keep it.
I and I believe others voted to keep the rule for the reasons I stated before.
Leo the motivation was to stop people from building robots machined out of one piece of solid bar that would be impervious to weapons. True that spinners have now progressed to the state that they can do damage or at least launch them out of the arena but any possible use of axes, hammers or crushers would be just about impossible. We haven't had any that can really deal with plastic yet let alone titainium.
Post Reply